SCD Probiotics – What You Really Need to Know

by Jordan Reasoner

A few months ago I was listening to a podcast by Chris Kresser and he said something that shook my “etch-a-sketch.”

You know what I mean right?

I use that term whenever I learn something that erases everything I thought I knew and leaves behind a blank slate…

Here’s what he said (paraphrased):

“Humans have ten times more bacteria than human cells in their body. So a common saying is: we’re more bacteria than we are human.”

Crazy right? What if our bodies are just puppets to carry bacteria around?

Yeah I know – I’m coming back to earth, but it’s something to think about for a minute…

If we have 10x more bacteria growing inside us than human cells, maybe we should become better friends with them.

They might play just as big of a role in our health as food, air, and water. Some people refer to this as “tending our bacteria gardens.” It can be one of the easiest ways to feel better faster other than changing your diet.

And that’s why I put this post together about SCD Probiotics and what you really need to know.

For Starters, There Are Three KINDS of Bacteria

Each of these three types of bacteria has a different role in our body and there’s some that are more important than others.

For the sake of making it simple, they can be separated by how they interact with each other. With that said, here’s the best explanation I’ve seen about the different bacteria types:

1. Essential or Beneficial Flora (AKA the good guys): that’s the friendly bacteria we’re always talking about, like Bifidobacteria, Lactobacteria, and E-Coli.

(Yes, some strands of E-Coli can be friendly.)

2. Opportunistic Flora (AKA the bad guys): there’s around 500 various species of microbes in your gut that fall in this category.  And they’re actually controlled by the beneficial flora, so they keep them in check.

They can cause problems once they overgrow… this is the “bad bacteria.”

3. Transitional Flora (AKA the drifters): these are microbes from the outside environment, the ones you take in through food and drink or just living and breathing in the environment.

They can take hold and damage our guts and even cause disease. In this case, beneficial bacteria (the good guys) usually keep those in check and prevent that from happening.

All these types have a place and a purpose, and when they start doing something other than that is when they wreak digestive havoc in our bodies.

But Probiotics Are Something Different Altogether…

Probiotics are strains of beneficial bacteria that, when we take them, support our native beneficial bacteria.

They also help control the opportunistic bacteria from getting out of control and protect us so that the transitional bacteria and pathogenic organisms can’t take hold inside our damaged guts.

But the supplemental forms that we take are “transient” and don’t stay in our bodies for very long… something like two weeks.

So they aren’t really “replacing” what we’re already missing in that sense…

Which is a bummer, because research shows that the guts of IBD patients contain 25% fewer species of bacteria (on average) than healthy people.

So we’re already at a disadvantage…

So Who Needs Probiotics?

Well, symptoms like diarrhea and constipation are signs of “Gut Dysbiosis” AKA “really screwed up gut bacteria” – which probiotics will help with.

Remember that anywhere from 50 to 80% of the dry weight of a bowel movement is dead bacteria.

And most people with digestive disease or high inflammation are going to see a benefit from taking probiotics. As I said above, we’re running on 75% of the gut bacteria a healthy person has so any little bit helps, in my opinion.

It reminds me of our friend Jay Baluk (Chrohnsboy), who has this “burnt lawn” analogy that I have to share with you.

He says (paraphrased):

“Imagine you have a big, beautiful green lawn but you have this big circle in the middle that’s burnt to a crisp and dead. Would you just let all the weeds grow so you have this beautiful lawn and in the middle you have a big giant circle with all these weeds and nasty stuff growing out of it? Or would you do what you needed to do to re-plant the seeds and let everything re-grow?”

The Bad Side of Probiotics

Before we get into the good stuff we have to touch on Bifidobacteria. It’s a hot topic in the SCD community for the reason that it can “take over” and cause health problems in some cases.

It is a beneficial bacteria, but the problem is, it’s just not a good neighbor at times. So, sometimes it can overgrow in and of itself.

So just to be on the safe side we usually recommend avoiding it in the beginning of the healing journey, but later on it can really help…

Now onto the important part – how to get started using them.

How to Start Using Probiotics… the Right Way

Fermented food has been used for tens of thousands of years and getting Probiotics from naturally fermented foods is going to be the best bet long term…

That’s why I think Elaine was so emphatic about using SCD yogurt if you’re starting SCD. It really can change lives and heal people fast, but it has its own draw backs.

Fermenting SCD Yogurt for 24-32 hours does remove 99% of the lactose sugars, BUT… it still contains the casein protein.

And we’ve seen too many people start SCD eating the yogurt, DCCC, aged cheeses, etc. and never start feeling better…but those same people try cutting it out for a little while and notice an immediate improvement.

The best non-dairy option would be making your own sauerkraut. But if that’s not an option…

So our current thinking on it is: once you’ve been on the diet about 30 days and you’re starting to feel better, go ahead and test SCD legal fermented yogurt slowly…

In the meantime – probiotics can help you heal start healing in the absence of these other sources.

Here’s Two Steps to Get Started Today:

Step 1) Your safest bet to start healing is Lactobacillus acidophilus. GI Pro “Scdophilus” is great because it’s non-dairy, SCD legal, very high quality, and has a long shelf life.

You can find out more about it here: http://www.giprohealth.com/scdophilusnext.aspx

Step 2) Start low and work your way up.  For example, if you go with “Scdophilus” from GI Pro Health, they have a 3 Billion CFU pill and a 10 Billion CFU pill. So you could start by taking 1 of their 3 Billion CFU pills per day and work up slowly to 30 to 40 billion CFU’s per day by moving up to the 10 Billion CFU pills.

(For best results: take them 30 minutes before breakfast right when you wake up or atleast two hours after a meal right before bed.  That’s the best odds to get live cultures past the stomach pH and into the intestines.)

Taking Probiotics Long Term…

Those two steps will get us started, but it’s a long road we’re headed down.

In Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride’s book, Gut and Psychology Syndrome, she states:

“A good probiotic should have as many different species of beneficial bacteria as possible. A human gut contains hundreds of different species of bacteria. We should try and get as close to that as we can.”

She goes on to say, “Making sure there are strains from different groups of probiotic bacteria is more beneficial than just one group.”

So if you’ve been cruising along for a while taking 30-40 Billion CFU’s of Lactobacillus Acidophilus and you’re feeling kind of “stuck,” consider testing a multi-strain probiotic.

It might be the next missing piece of your healing journey…

The other obvious choice here is to start testing fermented foods like Sauerkraut (Wild Fermentation is a great book to get started) OR introduce SCD 24-Hour Yogurt.

After you start feeling better on SCD + Probiotics, give SCD legal yogurt a shot…

Either one is just another step along the way.

All I do know is: Gut Bacteria is like outer space – there’s still a whole lot we don’t know about it.

In good health,

 

About the author

Jordan Reasoner Jordan Reasoner is a health engineer and author. He was diagnosed with celiac disease in 2007 and almost gave up hope when a gluten-free diet didn’t work. Since then, he transformed his health using the SCD Diet and started SCDLifestyle.com to help others naturally heal stomach problems. You can check out his story here and find him on Google+, Facebook or Twitter.

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Cara Franks August 25, 2011 at 2:29 pm

I ran out of the probiotics from GI Pro Health this summer and hated to spend the money. After a little time though, I was having a lot more trouble, and I wasn’t sure what was different. I was eating the same things. I finally realized it could be the probiotics and ordered more. I have been feeling great again after taking them for awhile. I am going to make sure I don’t ever run out again!!

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Steven Wright October 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm

@Cara – Great example of personal testing! Sometimes running out of a supplement can bring about a new realization

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P August 28, 2011 at 7:49 pm

Great site. Great resources. I have a slightly
Different take on probiotics including
Overgrowing lactobacillus.

You can read it on my website
http://www.siboibs.org

Thanks and warm regards

P

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barbara brooks September 6, 2011 at 6:08 am

Hi Jordan and Steve
I’m from the UK and I have looked into buying probiotics and multi vitamins from giprohealth but working out quite expensive for shipping. I would like to be able to buy something similar over here, but other than looking for tablets without sugar starch yeast wheat soy and whey is there anything else I should be looking out for. And of course if poss. is there anywhere you can recommend where I may purchase these.

Have bought your ebooks and still keeping with the diet. I started off just reading Elaines book and tried to do it from that without total success after 3 months so decided to buy yours and I am now using the 5 phases, on the end of number 1 right now, unfortunately I have lost a lot of weight and probably only weigh about 7 stone right now. However I can eat bananas and yoghurt so I’m trying to pump as much into me as poss. including all meats fish and eggs.

Many thanks.

Barbara X

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Kate June 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm

Hi Barbara,

I realise your post is quite old (2011!) so you might not read this, but would love to hear from you if you do. I am also from the UK and trying to find UK-based SCD legal supplements (probiotics and multi-vits especially) and struggling to do so. GIPro Health shipping is so expensive. Did you find any UK-based supplements?

Many thanks,

Kate x

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Andrea September 14, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Try Bio-Kult! 14 strains, formulated by the author of the GAPS diet…I really like it, and use it to make yoghurt so it multiplies the 2 billion in the capsules and goes a lot further.

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Chris December 22, 2011 at 7:40 pm

Amen on being careful with bifidobacteria. I am suspecting the flare I am currently in may have been caused by taking probiotics with bifidum in it. Back to Acidophilus it is!

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Jordan Reasoner January 6, 2012 at 12:15 am

Awesome Chris – it’s great to hear from you!

How did the switch go?

Jordan

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Kelly August 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Actually, I’m stunned that you’re recommending acidophilus, as it’s the strain that is SPECIFICALLY linked with high d-lactate levels and lactic acidosis. Multiple studies back this up.

A bifidus-only strain will clear up FODMAPs issues.

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Tina March 11, 2014 at 7:07 pm

I would also like to know the answer to this poster’s question. I just read Steve’s podcast with Chris Kresser (http://chriskresser.com/treating-sibo-cold-thermogenisis-and-when-to-take-probiotics) (search D-lactate) where Chris says specifically to NOT take L.Acidophilus if you have SIBO, but you guys are specifically recommending TO take it (and therefore I’ve been taking it for the last month). Would you mind please explaining your and Chris’s differing views on it? I’m going to order Prescript Assist next since you both seem to agree on that one as helpful, but would still like to understand the differing perspectives. Thank you!

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Christine August 17, 2014 at 5:40 am

I think that Elaine Gottschall (author of the SCD book Breaking the Vicious Cycle) recommended starting with L.Acidophilus & I think that is probably because at the time it was the most researched & safest probiotic around. L. Acidophilus is about as community-minded a bacterial strain as you will find.

Also, I have just found this:-

“Elaine spent a year doing library research on probiotics and realised that the whole area is very iffy. The one conclusion that she came out with is: “That Lactobacillus acidophilus had been shown to be very helpful for many schizophrenics, bowel patients, etc. over a period of 100 years.”

However, a report was published in the New England Journal of Medicine by a gastroenterologist that stated that one doctor found that all his Crohn’s patients had an OVERGROWTH of Lactobacillus acidophilus which he felt was contributing to the disease. Unfortunately this found its way into the reference books that pharmacies use.

Elaine feels that we should keep our probiotic ingestion to a minimum and get helpful bacteria from our SCD yoghurt and so displace the harmful bacteria.”

Taken from http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/detail/probiotics/

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Jenny February 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Have you heard or read anything about the VSL#3 probiotic? I currently take that one, but it is fairly expensive and I am unsure if it is doing what it is supposed to…

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Ruth Buchweitz October 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Jenny,
VSL #3 has a sugar (I do not remember which one. but if you Google VSL #3 you can find what is in it.) VSL #3 gave me terrible diarrhea. I was improving steadily on SCD until my doctor wanted me to try VSL #3. It was a disaster.
Ruth

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Brian MacEachern February 14, 2012 at 11:13 pm

This blog post has one thing that appears to be wrong. The GI pro health probiotics instructions say to take WITH food. I also thought that probiotics were to be taken on an empty stomach so when I recieved my shipment from GI Pro Health and read this, I emailed them to clarify, they said that their research had said it was better to take with meals.

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Jordan Reasoner February 16, 2012 at 8:17 am

Thanks for the feedback @Brian – I appreciate it.

Jordan

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Pamela Suzanne Brazle April 4, 2012 at 3:43 pm

My Dr. asked me to take florastor (“probiotic (friendly yeast-based) not attenuated by antibiotics”). It worked for six months then my problems came back. Should I get back on them? I am totally off the GF diet because I was still having bad stomach trouble and losing too much weight. I’m going to try this. Thanks for the info!

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Jill April 16, 2012 at 10:02 am

How do digestive enzymes play into this? And bile salts? Can one safely take all three — probiotics, digestive enzymes and bile salts? And in what order?

I’ve been taking Now Super Food enzymes, which now I realize from other comments was not at a high enough dose. What is the maximum dose if I want to use up what I have first?

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Steven Wright October 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

@Jill – yes you can safely take all 3. We don’t like super enzymes because while it covers all the bases it’s weak in everything. Better to buy them all separately and adjust the dosages accordingly. We see much better results in all our clients.

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jodie Ivanecky May 6, 2012 at 3:36 am

Hi guys.
I was diagnosed 5 years ago with SIBO. Have done the scdiet on and off for years now, supplementing the entire time with bifidobacterium probiotics. Its only recently that I read about the possibility of it actually CAUSING overgrowth of the small intestine with bifidobac.
I now cannot tollerate any fodmaps, and have felt all along I have been getting worse. I am on an entirely protein diet with supplements.
If this is what has happened to me then what the hell can I do now? I am desperate!
Jodie

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Steven Wright May 8, 2012 at 11:00 am

@ Jodie – I’m confused so did you stop taking Bifido species and your symptoms got better or worse? We suggest using on Lacto. Acidohilus and really like GI Pro Health’s version. I would start there and try some digestive enzymes as well. Are you following a plan like we lay out in our book? We cover all of this in there in an easy to understand format.

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Janet Malone August 26, 2012 at 11:35 am

Jodie, I feel for you. I’ve struggled for years too. I just recently bought the guys SCD Lifestyle Guide; Surving to Thriving. I also bought their book of “Hard Cases” Meal Plans. On day 8 and feeling better than ever. (Yes, some die off but that’s good.) Success is going to come along with the right mindset. The guys helped me to see this, because I was having such a hard time just getting started, because I was afraid it wasn’t going to work– Like sooo many other things I’ve tried. There is HOPE! Don’t give up! You’re on your way, you can do this. Start with baby steps; let things (bacteria) calm down for awhile. I’m not doing any fruit or sugars, just the broth, meat and pureed veggies for now. The book is really valuable and the guys have been very supportive and are truly concerned:) My prayers are with you….

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Jordan Reasoner August 26, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Thank you for the wise words Janet, you rock!

Jordan

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Shannon May 6, 2012 at 10:30 am

I am also wondering about digestive enzymes – which products are good, how much to take, etc. Also, I’ve been told that the VSL#3 probiotic pills are really good, but they don’t specifically detail on the bottle which probiotics are present – Just “Lactic acid bacteria.” And finally, I’ve heard of a strain called Lactobacillus plantarum299v, which is found in Good Belly – and that strain supposedly works miracles – unfortunately Good Belly contains gluten. Any thoughts/guidance on this would be appreciated – thanks.

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Steven Wright May 8, 2012 at 11:02 am

@ Shannon we don’t recommend VSL #3 if your symptoms are present because it contains Bifidus stains of bacteria. We like single strains of Acidophilus. Gi Pro health makes a great version and we also like their prozymes I would start there.

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Rebecca June 15, 2012 at 9:15 am

Hi
I have been searching for legal probiotics as I live in Ireland and to have them shipped from GIpro health would be to expensive so to anyone else searching I have found Kirkman Labs acidophilus which is sold on nutricentre.com in England. I was also wondering does anyone use Natren probiotics as I have used them in the past but have stopped because the dairy free version contains potato starch and chickpea extract.
Thank you

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Steven Wright June 22, 2012 at 9:30 am

@ Rebecca – If you tried them and they were working, don’t just stop because they have some illegals. It’s one of those don’t break what’s not broken things. It might not be ideal but if it works don’t stop. Also see if you can find Klaire labs L. Acidophilus.

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Kate June 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm

Hi Rebecca,

I realise your post is quite old (2012!) so you might not read this, but would love to hear from you if you do. I am also from the UK and trying to find UK-based SCD legal supplements (probiotics and multi-vits especially) and struggling to do so. GIPro Health shipping is so expensive. Did you find any UK-based supplements? Would you recommend the Kirkman Labs acidophilus? I also came across the Natren website but I thought this was also US-based so the shipping rates would be as high as GIProHealth? I will take another look. If you have any advice it would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Kate x
– See more at: http://scdlifestyle.com/2011/08/scd-probiotics-what-you-really-need-to-know/#comment-128270

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Kate June 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm

Whoops sorry I didn’t mean to attach a link to your own page at the end there! :)

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Christine August 17, 2014 at 5:50 am

For anyone wanting probiotics in the UK, it seems as though metabolics.com do suitable ones. I am not connected to or affiliated to them in any way, but just a customer of theirs.

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Suellan July 1, 2012 at 10:01 am

Hi, I’m not completely following the SCD diet however I’m highly interested in the whole restoring the good bacterias in my body through probiotics. I have been researching my heart out before ordering anything but the more information i get, the more confused i get.
On the sight you recommend Pure Encapsulations Digestive Enzymes Ultra – 180 capsules from amazon.com, however on this page you recommend ProZymes from GI Pro Health.
Are they the same? Which would you recommend more?
On the other hand, I was also looking into VSL#3 as i was recommended it years ago by a doctor, but when i asked my specialist, he told me it was a waste of time.
You also recommend the scdophilus so i looked into that, i am at the point where i really want to get my life on track. scdophilus seems worth a shot.
I was going to buy the digestive enzymes from amazon, and then get the yoghurt starter and scdophilus from GI Pro Health when i stumbled across the starter pack which includes the ProZymes, scdophilus 10+, and SCD Complete. Is it worth getting the SCD complete?? What benefit does it give?
Also if i accidentally have something wrong when out, or travelling, (i usually feel quite sick within 15mins whenever i eat anything oily, fatty, or high sugar) would the digestive enzymes help with ‘feeling ill’ afterwards?

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Steven Wright July 2, 2012 at 2:47 pm

@ Suellan – Great questions We recommend both Gi Pro Prozymes and Pure Encapsulations ultra enzymes. If I had to pick one with a gun to my head I’d choose the GI Pro Health brand but both are seriously very good. VSL #3 has helped many but also hurt and not helped many. We are skeptical of it until your well on your way to feeling better. We see better results faster with less complications using only L. Acidophilus and like the GI Pro Health brand because it’s dairy free. SCD complete is a great SCD multivitamin, a multivitamin should be part of everyone’s healing plan until there digestion is back working. If your properly absorbing your foods, you will end up nutritionally deficient it is just a matter of time.

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Angie Noda August 8, 2012 at 3:35 am

I just wrote a whole post but I don’t see if it went through.
Short post, I have Short Bowel Syndrome, 135 cm of small bowel left and no iliocecal valve. I was recommended protiotics by my Holitstic doctor ProbioMax Plus DF which contains both Lactobicillus acidophilus an bifidobacteria but after reading an article that probiotics and acidophilus are contradicted in patients with short bowel syndrome especially with no iliocecal valve I used it for 3 days and stopped. I have bloating, bad smelling gasses and stomach growling plus costipation. I am so confused. My GI/surgeon says that probiotics are better than antibiotics and no to read so much stuff in the internet.! I am so confused. I am 27 years old and don’t know what to do. Is the SCD diet good even for short gut patients like me? Should I not take probiotics? Please help! Very depressed living with my condition and the special diet I am in.

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Steven Wright August 9, 2012 at 9:45 am

@Angie – I’m so glad your searching out more advice and opinons. That tells me right there that your going to figure your health out! Keep it up. SCD will help short bowel people and from time to time we get emails from people like yourself reporting great success. BUT the big cavate is that they do our “tough case” version. Which is no dairy, no legumes, no nuts and limited fruits. I would highly suggest you try that and check for low stomach acid. We have several posts on our blog about stomach acid and the tough cases as well as meal plans to help.

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Janet Malone August 26, 2012 at 11:48 am

I’ve been following the “tough case” plan with reading and using the tips and tweaks in the guys SCD Lifestyle Guide; Surviving to Thriving e-book and am better than I’ve been in years. I’ve struggled with #1 bristol stools -constipation- almost my whole life. I’m on day 8 of the diet and have been having #4-5 stools since day 3 without taking anything or enemas!:) Their book really is sooo helpful in getting started and getting a plan set for your needs. I know depression can be when you feel like crap, you can do this! I feel sooo much better mentally and physically. Some die off, but the guys discuss pushing through and keeping on keeping on… I would try the diet to start. The book will help you step by step….

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Rebecca August 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Hi Steve
Thanks for your advice I will try and buy Klaire Labs lactobacillus if you think they are better then Kirkman as I think they are also available from Nutricentre. When I ordered Natren products they always came in an icepack to keep probiotics cool but the Kirkman products just came in a package which made me think would they even work. I have been on the diet five months and only really start eating dairy yoghurt the last few weeks but am having D throughout the night. I am not sure whether it is dairy or bacteria I am having a problem with as I had problems with nut yogurt too. Is it ok to just use acidophilus or do you need a broader range of bacteria.
Thanks again
Rebecca

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Steven Wright August 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm

@Rebecca – Likely you need to scale back and just use capsule probiotics until you reach higher levels of health then you can re-introduce fermented foods… and I would suggest you start with Sauerkraut.

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Randy September 24, 2012 at 7:08 pm

I have been on the SCD diet for two years now. I have been med free for one year. I have mostly good days but occasionally have minor cramping and slightly loose stools( not really diarrhea) I am going to try the prozymes from gi pro health and wanted to try the digestive bitters but the one you recommend has some illegal scd ingredients-such as grain alchohol. Is there a digestive bitter that is legal on SCD diet? Also, my doctor(who highly recommends the SCD diet) told me to try apple polyphenols because clinical trials have shown good results with apple polyphenols greatly reducing inflammation and symptoms of ulcerative colitis. (google it-you will find it. Love your site!

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solomani December 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm

Hi all,
Just discovered this site. I am on SCD at week 7 now. I have found it has reduced my symptoms but increased the frequency of bleeding and so the need for medication. I also find the diet, at least at first, is quiote constiapating due to its lack of fibre.

For context I suffer from ulcerative proctitis for 21 years well controlled by saloflak enemas. My next plan of attack was to stick with the SCD and drop dairy since I suspect dairy is causing the ongoing bleeding issue. Before SCD I didn’t eat a lot of dairy while on SCD I eat a ton (cheddar + yogurt). And though dairy has never given me any perceivable issue in the past this is more than I normally eat (I ate paleo before trying SCD and basically still eat paleo but net the difference between the two diets – that is if its banned on either diet I don’t eat it). I was also going to take some anti-biofilm enzymes from Klaire labs and then VSl #3.

But after reading this article I may change that up to taking the enzyme and 3+ gihealth and when that runs out move to 10+ and when that’s gone move on to VSL #3 (assuming all is OK up to this point). Do you think this is a good plan? Anything I maybe missing?

My issue is if I cant eat yogurt and probiotics are all transitory how will I replace/replenish bacteria permanently? I guess its not the end of the world if I had to take a probiotic permanently if I I don’t have to take anything else. But I just want to get as much information as possible so I know what I am in for and set my expectations appropriately.

Ultimately if this all fails I plan on trying FMT but that’s my last (non medical) resort.

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Jordan Reasoner December 5, 2012 at 2:21 am

I think that sounds like a good plan. That’s what I did.

I would recommend you get rid of the yogurt and eventually plan on testing some fermented foods. See this video for what it did for me:

http://scdlifestyle.com/2012/11/probiotics-for-inflammation-when-things-go-wrong-and-what-to-do-long-term/

Also, this video is on probiotics:

http://scdlifestyle.com/2012/11/how-probiotics-boost-your-immune-system/

Jordan

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KathyB September 22, 2014 at 6:33 pm

When I saw you ate paleo — I can tell you it is paleo which gave me ulcerative colitis. I was juicing veggies galore — eating almond everything. Salicylate intolerance is one of the core issues I have now discovered. My UC is gone by eliminating them everywhere I can find them. My GI doc said she would call me in remission for now — so I don’t have to be on the Lialda — which made me so sick. Why? It is a salicylate!!!!

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solomani December 5, 2012 at 3:06 am

Jordan, noted. Will watch videos. Thanks for the link.

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Margaret Pellegrini January 3, 2013 at 12:44 am

People with gut flora damaged by Celiac or other problems often can’t digest casein. One way around this is to take protein-digesting enzymes with dairy products. Trypsin is one of these enzymes but the general term for them is proteases. Pancreatin is one type of enzyme product which contains proteases.

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suzanne curran February 14, 2013 at 12:06 am

i have an illestomy and still have problems sue curran

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Melanie Ciccone February 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm

I thought everyone in this community would be interested to read the recent NY Times article, “Do You Have the Guts for Gluten”, published Feb 23, 2013. The author has a remarkably interesting book called An Epidemic of Absence which is kind of a manifesto
about a new way of understanding the root causes behind allergies and asthma. it feels like the picture is beginning to come into focus a tiny bit, in that folks are beginning to appreciate that this disease/s is/are multi-factoral: what is your DNA portrait; what do you eat; your biome look like (quality and quantity); how many antibiotics have you taken in the course of your life; how about your mom; what was her health like when she was pregnant with you: were you breast feed (how long); were you delivered vaginally; what is the quality of your emotional life; inflammation anyone….. it seems that a combination of a few of these is a perfect storm for a lifelong debilitating gut.

grateful for the work of SCD and GAPS scientists and community!!!

wonder what the general consensus to probiotic product VSL3 is?

new to this site, not new to SCD.

melanie

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Steven Wright February 28, 2013 at 9:53 am

@Melaine – Thanks for the comment I’ll check that out. We’ve seen better results with other products than VSL3. We don’t use it or advocate it because of this.

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Sarah March 10, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Great post on probiotics. I have a suspected histamine intolerance: I have all the symptoms. I know that probiotics make it much worse(I was my own guinea pig with homemade yogurt and sauerkraut). Sooooo, what’s a gal to do? It’s really a catch-22 because probiotics will strengthen my gut, but it makes my allergies much worse!!! Any advice?

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Trish June 6, 2013 at 8:08 am

When I developed food intolerances I went straight to Paleo. A few months in I added Dr. Ohirra original gormula probiotics and ended up with green fatty and loose stools for over two months.

I am going to be switching to SCD.

My auestions: I have a small ulcer at the base of my esophagus. I found out that I have low pancreatic enzymes and assuming low stomach acid as well. When I take enzyme supplements with high levels of protease, apparently it aggravates the ulcer. I have had 2 episodes where the large supplement capsule burst and I coughed up mucous and blood. I read that hcl and protease shoud not be taken if an ulcer is present.

How can I best digest my food, and will the SCD help my ulcer heal? Any recommendations? Thank you so very much :)

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Claudia June 20, 2013 at 7:26 pm

Hi Jordan and Steve. I’m sort of new to the SCD lifestyle. And lately I’ve been taking Phillips Colon Health Probiotic caps daily. They were working pretty good but now I’m not seeing the improvement I had at the beginning. I’m disappointed because I finally found something that was working and now I’m right back where I started. Do I need to switch to a different one, like one made specifically for SCD (i.e. the one you mentioned above)? Because the Phillips Colon health has potato startch in it. Thanks in advance, Claudia.

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Trish August 24, 2013 at 8:06 am

What is another source than GI PRO’s scodoffilis (which Ive been using for 30 days at full stregnth) to get MULTI strains of acidofillis and still get no Bifidus). I seem to be having trouble find one. I saw culturelle, but then saw it on the illegal list. I don’t have any issues with the SCD yogurt and have been using the GI Pro health Starter. ANY ideas or links?

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Steven Wright August 30, 2013 at 10:40 am

You could try Klaire Labs Therbiotic or Prescript assist both are performing very well for our clients right now.

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amanda September 13, 2013 at 6:47 am

hi.thank you for a lot of help and support. ive had croghs for 28 years.sbs 55 cm. 1or 2 bowel movementsper 24. ive weighed 52 kilo for years and have been following scd for 4 months. i feel great eat mountains of food but still have absorbstion problems as i cant get above 48 kilos ion scd and i am looking really scraggy. the last 2 weeks i stopped scd ate loads of bread.little sugar.no milk product.felt okay back to 51 kilos.but ive got terrible impertigo on my face.so guess what
im starting back today. whats your advise to drag me through the weight problem.i eat eggs.cheese dutch. meat.fish.nuts.loads of soup.i have your avacado shake nearly every day put dates in it. i eat at keast 4000 cal. a day. when im ons scd i have to much e
nergy and sleep to little but im never tired. now im in bed exhausted after 2 weeks of bad foid.testing myself was goid but im going thriuh hell.
im in a bad periode because of a divorce and its useing up alm my reserves.
thank you for being there.your more helf than my crohnsoecialist.

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Erin Isaachsen November 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Exactly when should you start taking the SCD-legal probiotic supplements in the progression from the Intro diet through the Phases of adding new foods?

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Steven Wright November 3, 2013 at 10:15 pm

You can start right away in the first week or at least the first month.

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Sarah B. November 15, 2013 at 12:34 am

I’ve been following SCD just shy of three years now, and *still* cannot tolerate probiotics or fermented foods. Not because of bowel issues though–rather, they trigger massive anxiety and panic attacks. I’ve tried to introduce them several times, and always with the same results. I never in my life experienced panic attacks before I started trying to introduce probiotics and fermented foods (SCD yogurt, beet kvass, etc.), and they always go away within about two weeks of quitting the probiotics/ferments, so I’m 100% certain there’s a correlation. Any thoughts? I feel like I will never ever be able to get back any good gut flora and my gut healing has been stagnant for ages. I’m kind of at my wits end here.

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Steven Wright November 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Hey Sarah – our gut flora communicates directly to the brain so this isn’t a surprise to me. Sounds like you still have a leaky gut, likely a leaky blood brain barrier as well. I’d focus on finding out if you have any GI infections or other chronic infections in the body.

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Penny November 19, 2013 at 10:50 am

Hi guys!

I’ve learned so much from you:-) Was curious if you could culture soil based organisms in yogurt – like Biokult or Prescript Assist – I know they do it with beans (Natto) but my kid probably wouldn’t eat Natto – or sauerkraut -actually, thinking about it, you could probably just buy some Natto at a Japanese food place and use the slime for a probiotic – probably way more potent than Biokult anyway:-)

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Anna January 5, 2014 at 1:21 am

During what stage can you add homemade sauerkraut? Would that be the same for just the sauerkraut juice? Thank you so much!

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Kelli January 15, 2014 at 9:54 am

Hi
i have diverticulosis and was just told by my doctor to take VSL#3. I took it and it caused manjor gas, bloating, pain, and diarreah! I saw that you don’t highly recommend it, and its because it has the Bifidobacteria in it right? Which you don’t recommend during the beggining stages of healing. So my question is what do you recommend , so i can ask my doctor.
Kelli

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Jon Ainsworth January 18, 2014 at 7:07 pm

Hi,

I’ve had severe food intolerances for over 20 years and about three months ago I started on the GAPS diet from the book Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Campbell-McBride. Things started to improve after the first few weeks and I was about to move onto the second stage when I suddenly had a lot of pain and bloating in my stomach and my symptoms worsened again. I did start taking sauerkraut and I felt it helped initially but I still have bad symptoms. I initially thought it was a stomach bug but it has been going on for over two months.

Anyway after seeing your website I would like to start on a probiotic and Betaine Hcl + Pepsin regime. I found the HCL your site recommended but can’t find the same probiotic that you suggest as I live in the UK. I’ve found a few probiotics but am not sure if these are ok or not as I have never taken them before. Anyway here is a list of probiotics I’ve found and I just wanted to know if any of these are suitable as one does have bifidobacteria as well as Lactobacillus acidophilus. http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1RRWZ0O33TCWH

Sorry for the long message but if you have any suggestions at all it would be greatly appreciated.

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Janice January 24, 2014 at 11:54 am

What are your thoughts on Florastor? I have been on a SCD diet for 4 months after Xifaxan for SIBO. I also have fructose malabsorption. The only probiotic prior to Florastor was raw milk yogurt (24 hr cook time) and then goat milk kefir. The goat milk kefir made some improvements.

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Brittany January 30, 2014 at 10:50 pm

Why is sauerkraut ok but kefir is not? Don’t they both contain yeasts? If the kefir is fermented 48hours it has same lactose content as yogurt.. Just want clarification cuz I thought GAPS was about fermented foods and SCD was not.

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Robert April 14, 2014 at 3:09 pm

Hi,

Do you have an opinion for Soil Based Probiotics? I have been taking various different probiotics for a few months now, without noticing much of a difference. Including home made Kefir, and Saurkraut. I still have burps after eating most food types, and occasional bloating though.

I’ve read that SBO’s are better for the gut than Lactose based, what are your thoughts?

Thanks for a great, and informative website.

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lee June 13, 2014 at 12:40 pm

Hi,

I’m also in the U.K and looking for suitable probiotics, and as I am trying to rid myself of candida too, was recommended Healthy Origins 30 Billion CFU. Is this ok? Any advise would be welcome!

Lee.

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Linn August 22, 2014 at 2:25 pm

Is this a high fat diet? What are the percentages or grams of fat, protein, and carbs required in a 1500 calorie a day diet?

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Naima December 2, 2014 at 8:26 am

Hello,
I’m new to the SCD but a I’ve had IBD for about 10 years. It has more recently progressed which is the reason I am now here. All that to say,
I’ve been reading through the (SCD) website(s) and have some confusion. I was just reading the article about probiotics. I have been taking pretty high doses of these for years. But more recently, I realized my Brand (New Chapter) may not always be as free of things that could be harmful to me as I would like. So I’ve stopped using them. Since, I’ve stated a new brand that seems to be free and clear of potentially confounding things. But because I’m starting the SCD diet, I’ve stopped all of my supplements to reintroduce. This is pretty scary for me actually because, I’m so deficient but I’m trying to do this right.
But my main question, I suppose, is about the probiotic issue. I do wonder why dairy is so heavily promoted for the SCD yogurt when it seems that non-dairy yogurt could be just as, if not, more beneficial because we aren’t suffering from the dairy itself. I haven’t seen this addressed anywhere. But I’m sure that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I am very curious about your feedback on this. I would like to try the yogurt hopefully in the not too distant future, but (dairy) milk having been a problem for me almost since birth, I am not very keen on the idea of pushing that issue. At the same time, I don’t want to be left out of all of this healing I hear about from the SCD. I am at this point still left out of eggs and nuts too. I do have to wonder when/if I will be able to get this healing when I can’t take advantage, it seems, of much of the diet.
Again, I would greatly appreciate whatever feedback you might be able to offer. I thank you in advance.
Kind regards,
Naima

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Lori Jo Berg December 3, 2014 at 8:50 am

Hi Naima, thank you for reaching out! The yogurt provides powerful inoculation of healthy bacteria to your gut, which is necessary for the gut to heal. For those that can not tolerate cow dairy, you can try goat yogurt. And certainly, if you can not tolerate that, don’t consume that either right away. If you try either of the yogurts and can’t tolerate them, you can always try later as the gut has had more time to heal.

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